Kevin,
Thank you for your feedback. In reaction, I finally put some time into cleaning up my own blog on the subject at http://theconnective.org.
In fact, the first post is about you.
If you have a chance to read it, I would very much value your opinion (please let me know if you don’t feel comfortable with how I’ve used your name and I will revise the post).
Posted by Eyal Sivan on March 16, 2008 at 8:47 PMThing is, this is nothing new. The only real difference is, perhaps, the accessibility of the medium, the malleability of the material, and the broad scope of the target.
As evidence, I’d point you to the United States Constitution. What was proposed by the Founding Fathers was universally declared “impossible.” A government of the people, by the people, for the people was nonsense. It was widely assumed that the people needed to be managed by a small group of intellectuals and figureheads to inspire the masses if anything was ever going to get done. People weren’t supposed to govern themselves, it would be chaos.
This is, of course, why it was called the Grand Experiment, and up until recently it has proven its detractors wrong. It really works, when allowed to function as intended. Mistakes are made, perhaps no fewer than in other government forms, but at least they are “our” mistakes and not the mistakes of the king, and thus we would have motivation inherent in our own liberty to make sure we didn’t repeat the same mistakes.
Of course, ultimately, what will bring down Wikipedia is the same thing that is bringing down the U. S. form of government. Over-management. As soon as the administrators start to shut down, to limit, to “guide,” to control, the system begins to lose its cohesiveness. It begins to shift from a collaborative “us” to an antagonistic “us vs. them.” If Wikipedia ever were to decide to constrain the freedom that its users enjoy currently, no matter how logical and reasonable it may sound to do so, it will start to decline.
I’m sure if I thought about it a little more, I could come up with other instances of the phenomenon you rediscovered. All told, though, you’ve made a good assessment.
Posted by InfinitiMoon on February 6, 2008 at 7:01 PMEyal Sivan,
I agree that collective — and socialism and communism — are not the right terms. I really like your new term connective - and promise to borrow it.
Posted by Kevin Kelly on February 4, 2008 at 11:39 AMKevin, your post is inspiring. The Internet is slowly but surely demonstrating the emergent intelligence inherent in volitional, self-organizing networks-of-interest. It is becoming what its early inhabitants always wanted it to be.
I have been interested in this subject since the early 1990’s, and I am I am very proud to say that one of my biggest influences is your book ‘Out of Control’. I read it almost a decade ago, but to this day, it still leaves an impression on me.
There was one statement in your post I found particularly interesting: ‘collectives amplify power’.
Frankly, I find it strange to describe Wikipedia (and other self-organizing systems) as ‘collectives’. Collectives, like cities and civilizations, are not volitional (you are born into them) or distributed (they are typically top-down).
As an individualist, surely you are familiar with Rand’s ‘objectivism’ and and its position on collectives. Rand, like most of her contemporaries, positions Collectivism and Individualism (Objectivism) as polar opposites.
What is fascinating to me is that this “new type of communism or socialism” is not what scholars or philosophers would describe as communism or socialism at all. Collectives don’t just amplify power, they concentrate it. Where is the implicit vertical-of-power in Wikipedia? Where is the Lenin or the Mao? Non-existent.
The word ‘collective’ does not describe what is happening. I think that word means something else, something that is becoming a bygone of the industrial age. In fact, I believe ‘collectives’ are the very antithesis, the ‘enemy’ if you will, of efforts like Wikipedia.
Many years ago I tried to articulate this idea, and in doing so invented a term which I much prefer: connective.
A connective (noun) refers to a distributed network-of-interest (social, economic, political, etc.) made up of voluntary participants each seeking to achieve an individual goal.
As in: a connective, to be connective, connectivism, or even, The Connective.
I’ve been trying to start a proper blog on this subject at www.theconnective.org, but can’t seem to find the time to do it justice. It’s still a sad work in progess, a mess of ideas.
I would love your feedback, as I’m sure I would find it as inspiring as the article above. Maybe I’ll finally get off my ass and change the world.
An enormous fan,
-Eyal Sivan
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This idea of collective intelligence is’nt new. Bees ants fish and animals that swarm use it. We talk abour ‘word of mouth’ and now ‘viral advertising’. Freecycle is a good example of this. I ask for a sofa and a stranger will give me one-or, if I can offer a sofa to a group of strangers, one of whom will want it.
Posted by Lesley on April 19, 2008 at 7:27 AM